Comète ou OVNI à Errachidia ?

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  1. Casawia

    Casawia A & S Forever

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    Le samedi 15 avril 2006 à 21h 15mn GMT, des habitants de la région d’Errachidia ont assisté à un phénomène extraordinaire : une boule de feu qui se déplaçait dans le ciel à grande vitesse. Certaines personnes ayant vu ce phénomène ont adressé un courrier à ALM en décrivant avec détail ce qui s’est passé tout en se demandant s’il ne s’agissait pas d’un OVNI. En fait, le même événement a été observé à la même heure dans certaines régions espagnoles de l’Andalousie. Et selon des spécialistes espagnols, il s’agit de la désintégration contrôlée du satellite Sich-1 qui avait été lancé à partir du cosmodrome de Plesetsk, le 24 décembre 2004, et qui en rentrant dans l’atmosphère devait emprunter une trajectoire précise définie auparavant par l’organisme de contrôle spatial concerné.

    Aujourd'hui Le Maroc

     
  2. FoX

    FoX حديدان آل نهيان Membre du personnel

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    Finalement c'est un satellite desintégré alors ce n'est ni un OVNI ni une COMETE ...
    pourquoi ils gardent ce titre alors ? [37h]
    aweddi 3la suspense dial les journaux marocains aweddi [22h]
     
  3. Casawia

    Casawia A & S Forever

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    ca m'as fait rire ce truc la! ndirou b7al mirikan w nebdaw 7ta 7na ntssanw Alliens fo9ach yjiw [22h]
     
  4. 7amil almisk

    7amil almisk مهدي يعقوب عاشق الأحرف

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    khty lcasawiya , rah khassek tbe7ti fhad lmawdo3 hada car kaynin nas mjehdin : des cosmonautes , des pilotes , 3olama2 lli chafo des objet volants non identifies , 9elleb meziane rah kayn hadchi ou rah hado lli chafohom rahom 3olama2
    kayna hetta wahed l accident we93at lwahed min amhar attayarin alamrikane mcha yt7e99e9 men un ovni et tfergat bih tayyarto , bellati ghy nemchi leddar ou njbedhalek , hadchi ce n est des halucinations !
     
  5. Casawia

    Casawia A & S Forever

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    bellati ya akhi, kaynin les comets et les boules de feus mais les Ovnis, j'ai du mal a le croire! daba nzid n9allab w zidna ma3loumat ila l9iti chi 7aja.
     
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    7amil almisk مهدي يعقوب عاشق الأحرف

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    3andy l3erram , et mwette9 dakchy et hana ghady njiblek lmawadi3 et en anglais de plus , rah hadchi wa9e3 fel3alam , mais je dis pas ke jayyin men lfada2 , rah a khty casawiya , lli tay3tiwek feli3lam mafihch robo3 dial la verite , jamais un journalist chad blassa kbira feli3lam dawli wal3alami may3tik l7a9i9a lli 3aref howa , liannaho ghady yetseffa , ou lli ze3mo ou darouha 9elleb 3ihom daba !
     
  7. Casawia

    Casawia A & S Forever

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    iwa je suis impatiente de savoir!! merci mehdi [06c]
     
  8. nournat

    nournat Wld l3iyachiya

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    ana knt cheft wa7ed l' OVNI kant ghadya fo9 casa w nazlat 7da jjotiya dyal derb ghallaf , nazlou mnnha tlata dyal les extraterrestre khadrine wa7ed fihoum kan haz wa7ed numerique lmouhim mchaw flachaw dak numerique w chraw jouj portablat w zadou f7alhoum !

    ah ou mlli bghaw i9all3ou nzal wa7ed kayjri mcha l sou9 ssalk deghya t9adda 2 souries optique w une table graphique , w graveur dvd w rja3 kayjri !
     
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    awah ana ba3da li galha nournat ka nti9 fiha ma ykdabch 3lina hadak
    hya daba fach chraw dak chi bach khalssouh? 3andhom ta houma darham f l3omla?
     
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    nournat Wld l3iyachiya

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    alla ma 3andhoumch a sa7bi houma derham , jabou m3ahoum cartouna dyal les carte medijahiz , w farchouha gouddam sou9 ssalk w galssou kaykhawtou ha miditil 20 dh , tta ba3ou l7za9 3ad mchaw t9addaw !
     
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    aahhhhhhhhh wa goul hakdak a sa7bi man lawal hit nit bano lya chi nmari dyal tilifoune kay doro c dernier temps wa f chkal ha 010 ha 011 goul houma dyal khoutna li lounhom khdar
    o had nass a nournat li chafti nta wach ymkane lik tjib chi ch8oud chafo m3ak ola chafti ghir nta.? 3rafti ila l9itak ka tkdab 3lya rah radi ntssdam fik o na9dar ndir chi 7aja khayba na9tal moucha dyal 3ami oula nchfar l lwalid 200 dh
     
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    voila a casawiya :

    1948, The Death of Thomas Mantell

    January 7, 1948, would be a day of tragedy for Captain Thomas F. Mantell of the Kentucky Air National Guard, and his family, friends, and fellow Guardsmen. The Mantell case will forever be an important part of the hotbed of UFO reports of the late 1940s and early 1950s. He would have the unfortunate distinction of being the first human being to give his life in the ongoing chase for the elusive truth behind bizarre reports of flying craft from other worlds. Was his sighting a carry-over from the foo-fighters of World War II? or were they altogether another phenomena?...a phenomena that was just out of his reach. He gave all he had to reach this mysterious, intelligently controlled metallic craft, but whatever it was, and whoever controlled it, escaped that day...the day that Thomas Mantell lost his life.

    Mantell was piloting an F-51 that fateful day, soaring to Standiford Air Force Base, Kentucky. He was accompanied by three other Guard planes. At approximately 1:30 P.M. the Kentucky State Police began receiving reports from worried citizens of spotting a large circular object flying over the city of Mansville. In a matter of minutes the area of the sightings expanded to cover Irvington and Owensboro. This large, metallic flying craft was then clearly seen from the tower of Godman Air Force Base. The object was described as being an extremely large, round, whitish in color, with a red light toward it's bottom side, and seemed to be moving slowly toward the South. A little over an hour after the first reports, Mantell and his crew were asked to investigate the anomalous object.

    The actual transcripts read;

    "Godman Tower Calling the flight of 4 ships northbound over Godman Field. Do you read? Over.

    [Pause] Godman Tower Calling the flight of 4 ships northbound over Godman Field. Do you read? Over."

    "Roger, Godman Tower. This is National Guard 869, Flight Leader of the formation. Over."

    "National Guard 869 from Godman Tower. We have an object out south of Godman here that we are unable to identify, and we would like to know if you have gas enough; and if so could you take a look for us if you will."

    "Roger, I have the gas and I will take a look for you if you give me the correct heading.

    One of his three companions in flight received permission to continue his pre-assigned flight plan, while Mantell and the remaining two planes headed to the coordinates of the visual sightings.

    Mantell led the way in the climb to 15,000 feet, and upon reaching the position, he radioed the following statement back to the control tower.

    “The object is directly ahead of and above me now, moving at about half my speed...It appears to be a metallic object or possibly reflection of Sun from a metallic object, and it is of tremendous size...I’m still climbing... I’m trying to close in for a better look.”

    18,000, 20,000, 22,000 feet! too high for the WWII fighters without oxygen! The other two planes turned back, leaving Mantell alone to pursue the giant object. By all accounts Mantell must have passed out from lack of oxygen at about 30,000; at least his plane leveled off at that height. His plane now began to plunge back toward earth. He crashed a few harrowing moments later on the farm of William J. Phillips near Franklin, Kentucky. Mantell's watch stopped at 3:16 PM, and his body was still strapped in his plane, which become his coffin. He had spent 45 minutes in a frantic flight into the realm of the unknown. By 3:50 PM, the giant craft was not visible from Godman, but reports continued as the UFO continued southward into Tennessee.

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    The reports of the incident spread like wildfire. Theory and speculation reached radio shows, television, and newspapers. The New York Times' story began with this headline, "Flier Dies Chasing A `Flying Saucer," and another story was headlined with, "Plane Exploded Over Kentucky as That and Near States Report Strange Object." Common speculation that Mantell was chasing a UFO was countered by the Air Force, which initially concluded that Mantell and his co-hearts were chasing the planet Venus. They also announced that his death was directly related to oxygen deprivation.

    This almost comical conclusion was hastily put to rest by an eye witness, Glen Mays, who lived near Franklin. Mays stated categorically that Mantell's plane exploded in mid-air."

    The plane circled three times, like the pilot didn’t know where he was going,” reported Mays, “and then started down into a dive from about 20,000 feet. About halfway down there was a terrific explosion."

    Also, there is the testimony of Godman Base Commander Guy F. Hix, who stated to reporters that he observed the craft for almost an hour through binoculars. He would not have confused what he saw with the planet Venus.

    Richard T. Miller, who was in the Operations Room of Scott Air Force Base in Belleville, Illinois also made several profound statements regarding the crash. He was monitoring the radio talk between Mantell and Godman tower, and heard this statement very clearly.

    "My God, I see people in this thing!"

    Miller added that on the morning after the crash, at a briefing, investigators had stated that Mantell died "pursuing an intelligently controlled unidentified flying object."

    In conclusion, Miller made this statement, "that evening, Air Technical Intelligence Center officers from Wright-Patterson AFB arrived and ordered all personnel to turn over any materials relating to the crash. Then, after we had turned it over to them, they said they had already completed the investigation. I was no longer a skeptic. I had been up to that time. Now I wondered why the Government had gone to all of the trouble of covering it up, to keep it away from the press and the public."

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    n more recent years, additional information has come forward. Captain James F. Duesler, who was one of several military officers at Godman, was retired and living in England. In 1997, he stated that he and several other officers actually saw the gigantic UFO hovering over Godman field that day. Duesler, who was a pilot and crash investigator, stated, "the UFO was a strange gray-looking object, which looked like a rotating inverted ice cream cone."

    Shortly after the crash, Duesler visited the site, and made these observations, "The wings and tail section had broken off on impact with the ground and were a short distance from the plane,” he recalled. “There was no damage to the surrounding trees and it was obvious that there had been no forward or sideways motion when the plane had come down. It just appeared to have "belly flopped" into the clearing. There was very little damaged to the fuselage, which was in one piece, and no signs of blood whatsoever in the cockpit. There was no scratching on the body of the fuselage to indicate any forward movement and the propeller blade bore no telltale scratch marks to show it had been rotating at the time of impact, and one blade had been embedded into the ground. The damage pattern was not consistent with an aircraft of this type crashing at high speed into the ground. Because of the large engine in the nose of the plane, it would come down nose first and hit the ground at an angle. Even if it had managed to glide in, it would have cut a swath through the trees and a channel into the ground. None of these signs were present. All indications were that it had just belly flopped into the clearing. I must admit, I found this very strange."

    To further debunk the "Venus" theory, astronomical records indicated that the planet was only 33 degrees above the horizon at the time of the incident, thus totally eliminating it from the case.

    The Air Force, embarrassed by the "Venus" theory falling through, now searched for another "wordly" explanation for the object observed that day. After discovering that Naval research was sending up the enormous "Skyhook" balloons, the Air Force had their alternate solution. This theory was also soon aborted after discovering that no balloon was launched, or could have been in the skies that day. The UFO theory received even more credence after Mantell's death. On January 8, residents of Clinton, North Carolina, reported a cone-shaped object moving through the skies at incredible speeds, and on February 1, a large metallic UFO was seen emitting an orange light near the ground at Circleville, Ohio. Whatever happened on the day that Thomas Mantell crashed his plane, it is certain that it was not a weather balloon, and it was not Venus, or any other planet. Could it have been a visitor from another planet, or another dimension?

    See 7 official documents relating to the Mantell case HERE.

    sources:

    http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/mantell1.htm

    http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/mantell4.htm

    "Captain Tom Mantell's Last Words." C.R.I.F.O. Newsletter 1,9 (December 3, 1954):4.

    Crain, T. Scott, Jr. "A Mantell Diary", MUFON UFO Journal 217 (May 1986): 9-13,17.

    Gillmor, Daniel S., ed. Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects. NewYork: Bantam Books, 1969.

    Gross, Loren E. UFOs: A History - Volume 1: July 1947-December 1948. Scotia, NY: Arcturus Book Service, 1982.

    Jones, William E. "Historical Notes: Thomas Mantell." MUFON UFO Journal 264 (April 1990): 18-19.

    Keyhoe, Donald. The Flying Saucers Are Real. New York: Fawcett Publications, 1950a.

    Keyhoe, Donald The Flying Saucers Are Real." True (January 1950b): 11-13,83-87.
     
  13. 7amil almisk

    7amil almisk مهدي يعقوب عاشق الأحرف

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    It is not only one of the most famous early UFO incidents but also one of the first more controversial UFO cases recorded by the US Air Force.
    It seems we will never know what happened that Thomas Mantell, an experienced pilot, crashed his plane.

    He was born in Simpson County, Kentucky, June 30, 1922 and he was killed in Simpson County, January 7, 1948. . It happened long time ago, almost 57 years ago…

    On January 7, 2005 it will be exactly 57 years since Captain Thomas Mantell lost his life...

    Was he pursuing a weather balloon or the planet Venus... or perhaps an object which was not from this world...

    Captain Mantell was on a "ferry mission." Four F-51 Guard planes of the 165th Fighter Squadron of the Kentucky Air National Guard, led by Captain Thomas Mantell, were on the way from Georgia to Standiford Air Force Base, Kentucky.

    At 1:20 p.m. T.Sgt. Quinton Blackwell, a tower operator at Godman Air Force Base, took a telephone call from the Kentucky State Police as they began to receive reports of an unusual and large flying object the city of Mansville, 80 miles to the east.

    Goodman's operator informed Flight Service at Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio and asked if there were any aircrafts in the vicinity. But there were none. A few minutes later the highway patrol called again and reported sightings from Owensboro and Irvington.

    Witnesses were describing a huge, round, whitish in color, object with a red light toward its bottom side. It was moving slowly toward the South. The object was about 250 to 300 feet in diameter.

    In the meantime, at 2.30, four F-51 Guard planes approached their base from the South.

    The control tower at Godman Air Force Base, Kentucky called Captain Mantell and asked him and his crew to take a look at the object and try to identify it.
    "...something had hung over Godman Field for almost an hour.." .." it had zoomed up over the base.."

    One Mustang, piloted by Lt. Robert Hendricks, requested to drop out to his base. Two other wingmen, Lt. A. W. Clements and Lt. B. A. Hammond, followed Capt. Mantell.

    2:45 p.m. CST, at about 14,000 feet, Mantell radioed to the base that he had the object in sight. At 15,000 feet, Mantell reported: "The object is directly ahead of me and above me now, moving at about half my speed."

    3:15 p.m. CST, Mantell radioed: "It appears to be a metallic object or possible reflections of sun from a metallic object, and it is of tremendous size. I'm still climbing; the object is above and ahead of me moving at my speed or faster. I'm trying to close in for a better look."

    As the three planes reached 22,000 feet, Clements and Hammond broke off pursuit due to lack of oxygen and turn back. The planes had not been serviced with oxygen at Marietta AFB. Mantell continued his pursuit climbing toward the observed object to 25,000 feet for next 10 minutes.

    Subsequent transmissions were garbled and Mantell failed to respond to attempts to contact him. As he made no further calls and visual and radio contact with him was lost, a search was launched. Colonel Hix sent two other pursuit planes after him, but these planes were not able to locate the pilot.

    The two other pilots, Clements and Hammond, returned to Standiford AFB, refueled and immediately taken off again. When they approached Godman Air Force Base, Lieutenant Clements described the object: ...appears like the reflection of sunlight on an airplane canopy.

    At 3.50 p.m. CST, the tower lost sight of the UFO.

    Captain Thomas Mantell saw and followed "something" what many other observed in the sky, too.
    At 4.00 p.m. CST, the object was sighted at Madisonville, Elizabethtown, and Lexington, Kentucky and then in northern Tennessee.
    Several people from Maysville, Kentucky, reported seeing a "strange craft." Twenty minutes later, people from Irvington and Owensboro reported a "circular craft about 250 to 300 feet in diameter" and "moving westward at a pretty good clip." It's about 190 miles from Maysville to Owensboro: 190 miles in twenty minutes is 570 miles per hour. The first report was probably delayed which would reduce the indicated speed accordingly.

    4:30 p.m. CST An astronomer at Vanderbilt University observed an object in the sky south-southeast of Nashville, Tennessee.

    Just after 5.00 pm, CST, on a farm near Franklin, Kentucky, the remains of the F-51 were found scattered over half a mile. Mantell's shattered body was found inside the cockpit and his watch had stopped at 3.18pm. It is believed that he died from lack of oxygen at about 25,000 feet. The plane had continued to climb to 30,000 feet but then leveled out before going into a high-speed dive.

    After Captain Mantell crashed, a large light was seen by Godman personnel in the same approximate position of the object seen earlier.

    Later, a "great hall of light" was spotted at Lockbourne Tower (central Ohio) and Clinton County, Ohio (kinda southwest Ohio), traveling southwest across the sky. Later that same day, St. Louis Tower called Flight Test Operations at Wright Field advising a "great ball of light was passing directly over the field." Scott Tower also verified this. Air Defense Command plotted the object as moving west-southwest at 250 miles per hour.

    In the Lockbourne, Ohio, report there was written: "...On the same day, about two hours later, a sky phenomenon was observed by several watchers over Lockbourne Air Force Base, Columbus, Ohio. It was described as 'round or oval, larger than a C-47, and traveling in level flight faster than 500 miles per hour.' The object was from the Lockbourne observation tower for more than 20 minutes. Observers said it glowed from white, to amber, leaving an amber exhaust trail five times its own length. It made motions like an elevator and at one time appeared to touch the ground. No sound was heard. Finally, the object faded and lowered toward the horizon..."

    Officially it was stated the following:
    "Three of the ships started to climb toward the object. Pilot Hendricks in NG336 continued on and landed at 1501C (Central Time) at Standiford Field. Pilots Hammond, NG737 & Clements NG800, climbed to 22,000 feet with Mantell in NG3869 then continued on to their original destination because of lack of oxygen arriving there at 1540C. Mantell continued climbing toward the object. Standiford operations advised Wright Field Service Center at 1750E (Eastern Time) that NG3869 pilot Mantell crashed 2 miles southwest of Franklin, Kentucky at approximately 1645C. Accident fatal to pilot, major damage to aircraft."

    The Air Force began an investigation. First official explanation was that Mantell had been chasing Venus, and had lost consciousness as a result of oxygen starvation.
    Was it really Venus...hard to believe..
    According to the astronomers: "even when Venus is at full magnitude you can hardly see it in the daytime even when you're looking for it. It was only half magnitude that day, so it 'was practically invisible"...

    Later version of explanation was that Mantell was chasing a huge balloon and then even 2 balloons!
    "Before its appearance over Godman Field, the leaking balloon would have drifted, at a low altitude, over several hundred miles. (A leak large enough to bring it down from high altitude would have caused it to land and be found.) Drifting at a low altitude, it would have been seen by several hundred thousand people, at the very least. Many would have reported it as a balloon. But even if this angle is ignored it still could not possibly have been a balloon at low altitude. The fast flight from Madisonville, the abrupt stop and hour-long hovering at Godman Field, the quick bursts of speed Mantell reported make it impossible. To fly the 90 miles from Madisonville to Fort Knox in 30 minutes, a balloon would require a wind of 180 m.p.h. After traveling at this hurricane speed, it would then have had to come to a dead stop above Godman Field. As the P-61's approached, it would have had to speed up again to 180, then to more than 360 to keep ahead of Mantell."(Flying Saucers Are Real - Keyhoe)

    The pursuit planes sent after pilot Mantell found nothing in the air. But they should to if it had been a balloon..
    "The strange object had disappeared when Mantell's wingman searched the sky, just after the leader's death. If it had been a balloon held stationary for an hour at a high altitude, and glowing brightly enough to be seen through clouds, it would have remained visible in the same general position. Seen from 33,000 feet, it would have been even brighter, because of the clearer air.
    But the mysterious object had completely vanished in those few minutes. A search covering a hundred miles failed to reveal a trace..."

    However
    "1. No one in the Kentucky area had reported a descending parachute.
    2. No cosmic-ray research instrument case or parachute was found in the area.
    3. No instruments were returned to the Navy from this region. And all balloons and instruments released at that time were fully accounted for.

    Even if it had been a balloon, it would not explain the later January 7th reports - the simultaneous sightings mentioned by Professor Hynek in the Project "Saucer" report.
    This includes the thing seen at Lockbourne Air Force Base two hours after Mantell's death.

    Obviously, the saucer seen flying at 500 m.p.h. over Lockbourne Field could not have been a balloon. Even if there had been several balloons in this area (and there were not, by official record), they could not have covered the courses reported. In some cases, they would have been flying against the wind, at terrific speed.

    Then what was the mysterious object?..." (Keyhoe)

    The microfilm copy of the investigation was mysteriously damaged and no Skyhook balloon launches could be found to coincide with the incident.

    A 1948 Top Secret, Air Force and Navy intelligence analysis of UFO incidents, stated: " While it is presumed that this pilot suffered anoxia, resulting in his crash, his last message to the tower was, "It appears to be metallic object tremendous in size. directly ahead and slightly above I am trying to close for a better look"

    Captain Thomas Mantell was very experienced young pilot, ..."a wartime pilot, with over three thousand hours in the air. He was trained to identify a distant enemy plane in a split second. His vision was perfect.."(Flying Saucers Are Real - Keyhoe)

    Lee R. Trail, Kentucky MUFON wrote the following about him:

    "Lieutenant" Mantell was awarded the Distinguished flying Cross for his actions over Holland on September 18, 1944. The Distinguished Flying Cross is awarded for "heroism or extraordinary achievement in aerial flight." His cargo plane, with a glider in tow, came under heavy ground fire. All but one of the rudder and elevator controls were shot out, and the tail section was set on fire. "Vulture's Delight" had a courageous crew. The crew chief fought the fire with live ammunition going off. Rather than release the glider, Lt. Mantell continued towing. The glider was released at its intended location, and, judging from a picture of the cargo plane, Lt. Mantell returned to base and landed an airplane that could not fly. He was known as "Shiny" by his comrades. The moniker was bestowed because of his "constant well -scrubbed look." "He was able to think fast and act quickly."

    Hard to believe we will ever know what did really happen up there high in the clouds and what killed Mantell.
    He was the only true witness to this drama. But he died and took the secret with him to the grave...
     
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    Fry naît le 19 juillet 1908 dans le petit village de Verdon (Minessota), à 50 miles environ de l'extrêmité la plus à l'ouest du Lac Supérieur. En 1917, devenu orphelin, il est pris en charge par sa grand-mère maternelle. Ils déménagent en Californie en 1920. Fry se débrouille bien à l'école, mais les faibles revenus du foyer le contraignent à travailler dès l'âge dès 1926 au lieu d'entrer au college. Malgré tout Fry étudie beaucoup lors de son temps libre, fréquentant la bibliothèque publique à Pasadena. Sa connaissance de la chimie finit par lui faire trouver un poste de technicien en explosifs et expert en démolition. En 1934 Fry se marie ; il a 1 fils et 2 filles, mais ses nouveaux rôles de père et mari ne l'empêchent pas de poursuivre son auto-éducation, notamment dans le domaine des fusées.
    White Sands (1949)

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    Fry naît le 19 juillet 1908 dans le petit village de Verdon (Minessota), à 50 miles environ de l'extrêmité la plus à l'ouest du Lac Supérieur. En 1917, devenu orphelin, il est pris en charge par sa grand-mère maternelle. Ils déménagent en Californie en 1920. Fry se débrouille bien à l'école, mais les faibles revenus du foyer le contraignent à travailler dès l'âge dès 1926 au lieu d'entrer au college. Malgré tout Fry étudie beaucoup lors de son temps libre, fréquentant la bibliothèque publique à Pasadena. Sa connaissance de la chimie finit par lui faire trouver un poste de technicien en explosifs et expert en démolition. En 1934 Fry se marie ; il a 1 fils et 2 filles, mais ses nouveaux rôles de père et mari ne l'empêchent pas de poursuivre son auto-éducation, notamment dans le domaine des fusées.
    White Sands (1949)

    En 1949 il est employé par le programme d'essais de missile à carburant liquide et par l'Aerojet General Corporation au Site d'Essais de White Sands au Nouveau Mexique. Il se décrit comme un scientifique internationnellement connu, chercheur et ingénieur en électronique, reconnu par nombre des scientifiques les mieux informés sur l'espace et le voyage spatial. Une description exagérée, bien qu'il dispose effectivement une formation scientifique, et d'un bon emploi bien rémunéré.
    Contact

    Le 4 Juillet 1950 à White Sands, la plupart du personnel de l'installation est en vacances et seule reste une équipe minimale pour maintenir l'équipement critique. Fry prévoit de prendre plus tard dans la journéele bus pour Las Cruces, à quelques 40 miles de là, où a ont lieu des feux d'artifices traditionnels de la fête nationale. Cependant il rate le bus. Toujours intéressé parl la technique, il décide alors ce soir-là de lire un livre sur le transfert thermique, lorsque le système d'air conditionné de ses quartiers tombe défaille. Pour sortir de la chaleur et de l'air étouffant il décide de sortir pour faire un tour autour de l'installation.

    La nuit est magnifique, remplie d'étoiles. Soudain il remarque que plusieurs étoiles semble disparaître. Après s'être interrogé quelques moments sur ce fait étrange il réalise qu'elles sont masquées par un objet sans lumières ne faisant aucun bruit. Avoir avoir éliminé un avion quelconque, il pense à un ballon météo, mais l'exclu en raison de l'heure de la nuit et parce que tout le monde est en vacances.

    [img width=650 height=401]http://www.rr0.org/images/FryDaniel_ovni.jpg[/img]

    Peu après un objet métallique, de la forme d'une sphère applatie aux pôles, vient s'installer sur le sol désertique à environ 70 pieds de lui. Alors qu'il s'approche pour en savoir plus, une voix parlant l'argot américain l'avertit de rester à l'écart de la coque chaude. A ce moment Fry trébuche sur une racine, et la voix tente de le calmer. Elle appartient à un extraterrestre nommé "A-lan" qui communique avec lui télépathiquement. En fait l'appareil est contrôlé à distance depuis un vaisseau-mère orbitant autour de la Terre, et est là pour récupérer des échantillons.

    A-lan invite Fry à l'intérieur. L'appareil décolle pour New York City, et revient en 30 mn (1 h 30 ?). Cela signifie atteindre une vitesse de 8000 miles/h, bien que Fry n'ai rien ressenti à l'exception d'un léger mouvement. Il est libéré de retour dans le désert avec la promesse d'autres contacts futurs. Fry reçoit la tâche de prêcher la philosophie aliens de compréhension de la société humaine. Les êtres se révèlent être des descendants d'une ancienne civilisation de la Terre qui a émigré dans l'espace à une époque reculée.

    Au bout de 6 ans de service, Fry quitte Aerojet General pour retourner en Californie où il travaille comme responsable de production pour la Crescent Engineering and Research Company de El Monte, une banlieue de Los Angeles.

    Alors qu'il commence à devenir célèbre pour son contact, Fry quitte son travail chez Crescent pour se consacrer exclusivement à la conférence et la publication d'un petit périodique qu'il nomme Compréhension. Par la suite il déménage à Merlin (Oregon) où il continue à publier son journal et faire des conférences.

    En tout Fry déclarera avoir eu 4 contacts, depuis son premier jusqu'en 1954. Il produit plusieurs livres et des photos par journée claire de l'appareil et fonde un ordre quasi-religieux nommé "Compréhension", afin de répandre la "bonne parole". Son 1er livre est publié juste après celui d'Adamski. Fry accepte de se soumettre à un détecteur de mensonge en direct à la télévision, et échoue. En juin 1956 il est interviewé à la radio.

    Auteur de :

    * The White Sands incident - Including an extraterrestrial statement avec Rolf Telano (1954, Los Angeles)
    * Alan's Message To Men of Earth (1955, Los Angeles)
    * Atoms, Galaxies and Understanding (1960, El Monte, California)
    * The Curve of Development (1965, Lakemont, California)
     
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    MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION

    PARTS 1 AND 2


    This article was found on a message board on the internet. There was no information about who wrote this article. Because this article contains very important information, I have decided to post it on the internet. Seeing that there was no author information, I assume that this is public domain. If you are reading this and are the author please write to me so that I can give credit to you.

    Subject: MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION PT.1

    UFO ABDUCTION AND CONTACTEE MESSAGES - AN ANALYSIS
    Hundreds of thousands of people in many parts of the world are claiming they are encountering UFO entities in one way or another. They have had what is called an "Close Encounter of the Third or Fourth Kind", a term used by ufologist J. Allen Hynek. There is also growing public interest in this phenomena due to media attention. Some CONTACTEES AND ABDUCTEES and also some claiming to be channeling extra-terrestrials are being revealed the following kinds of information:


    We are not alone in the Universe. We are told - this earth has been visited many times in the past and presently by different types of extra-terrestrials. These ET's have been involved with our creation, evolution, religions, myths, beliefs, etc.

    Some contactees are being told that humans are the consequence of ET encounters with earlier forms of man. Without this contact man never would have evolved to the point we have. Rael, the chosen prophet and messiah of the Raelian movement was told as as contactee, that mankind was created by a group of ET's called the Elohim using advanced genetic engineering in laboratories 4. Others who believe in the messages of the Pleiadians are told, that the Pleiadian ancestors were some of the Original Planners of Earth who seeded this and other worlds.12 What ever the explanation we are told ET's are involved with our evolution and creation.

    Some contactees are being told that: "Humankind stands now in the transitional period before the dawn of a New Age. (With peace, love and understanding, the people of Earth will see a great new era begin to dawn.) The Space Beings are here to teach, to help awaken the human spirit, to help humankind rise to higher levels of vibration so that the people of Earth may be ready to enter new dimensions. 1. We are poised for a quantum leap forward on both the biological and spiritual levels. The human soul will evolve.

    "If the Earthlings should not raise their vibratory rate within a set period of time, severe earth changes and major cataclysms will take place. (Such disasters will not end the world, but shall serve as cataclysmic crucibles to burn off the dross of unreceptive humanity. Those who die in such dreadful purging will be allowed to reincarnate on higher levels of development so that their salvation will be more readily accomplished through higher teachings on a higher vibratory level.)" 2

    Others are being told that the receptive or chosen will be saved by benign ET's and their ships when these disasters take place. Some like the Raelians are told they will experience some kind of eternal existence through further genetic engineering ie. cloning.

    A major leap in consciousness and evolution is about to take place: Crop circles, UFO sightings and contactee and abductee experiences are preparing those who are receptive of these changes. Events such as the Harmonic Convergence are lifting the veil so the Higher Galactic intelligences of the universe will be able to channel their energies and influences to facilitate the shift towards a New Age.12


    Evidence for these claims are: the many abductee and contactee experiences with similar stories and messages, physical scars, hybrid babies, recognition of some kind of symbolic or hieroglyphic language etc. There seems to be according to researchers increasing cases worldwide of UFO sightings, crop or landing circles, animal mutilations, abductions of men, women and children.

    According to Dr. Karla Turner, who has worked with over 400 abduction cases and has written the book "Into the Fringe", says if abduction accounts can be believed and there is confirmation of many of these facts with other researchers - the abduction phenomena includes some of the following details: from -UFO Universe, Spring 1993. Aliens -Friends or Foes by Dr. Karla Turner:


    * Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.
    * Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us any number of guises and shapes.
    * Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible.
    * Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and trangles of every possible sort.
    * Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
    * A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors can't identify.
    * Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during an experience, not just the greys. Every possible combination of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or in the same facility.
    * Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.
    * Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of human bodies.
    * Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don't co-operate with their alien captors.
    * Aliens come into homes and temporarily remove young children, leaving their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The children belong to us."
    * Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.
    * Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are performed, on children as well as adults.
    * Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.

    "In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from unrelated cases, confirming that such bizarre details are not the product of a single deranged mind. These details are convincing evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the abduction experience isn't limited to uniform pattern of events. This phenomenon simply can't be explained in terms of cross- breeding experiments or scientific research into the human physiology....... Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien interaction , we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do they need to manipulate our children's genitals and probe our rectums? Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?" ......Dr. Karla Turner.

    1. The Fellowship, by Brad Steiger.
    2. Ibid pp. 47
    3. Ibid pp. 185
    4. The Messages Given To Me By The Extra-terrestials -Rael
    5. Operation Trojan Horse- John Keel pp. 200-232
    6. Dimensions- Dr. Jacque Vallee
    7. Transformation The Breakthrough- Whitley Striber pp. 180, 240.
    8. Messengers of Deception- Dr. J. Vallee. Last chapter.
    9. UFO'S in the New Age- William M. Alnor , Baker Book House 1992.



    Subject: MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION PT.2
    SOME PHILOSOPHICAL AND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THESE MESSAGES

    While there seems to be evidence for UFO related activities as mentioned above, perhaps there are other possible explanations. Many UFO paranormal, psychic, and spiritistic manifestations, etc.5,6. Many abductees, contactees and researchers believe there is an inter-dimensional or multidimensional quality to the UFO phenomena and experiences with ET's. . Although the UFO phenomena maybe real it also could be a holographic illusion or a transmorification of matter and energy. Perhaps ET's are entities that have power to shape matter and spirit. Some alien life forms seem to have an ability to shape shift and appear and disappear 5,6. Dr. J. Allen Hyneck suggested the phenomena appears to be more psychic than extra-terrestrial and perhaps comes from a parallel world. This also seems to be Dr. Vallee's explanation 6, 9.

    Dr. Vallee also notes that there are authoritarian overtones to some of the messages given to contactees 8 i.e.. democracy is obsolete, elections should be done away with 4, racist ideologies are encouraged - some have more alien DNA etc., a New World Order is needed and will be set up with alien help. He also believes that some kind of control system is being set up by the UFO phenomena which challenges our traditions and human beliefs systems 6,8. Many abductees report implants and feel they are being manipulated for some unknown purpose that's yet to be revealed.

    Much of the messages given to abductees and contactees seem to be New Age in philosophical orientation and language: there are no moral absolutes, reincarnation is taught, monistic beliefs such as a vague "kinship with the Cosmos and it's oneness with the Universe or the Universe as a supreme being" are common, we are being told that "we stand on the precipice of a quantum leap forward on both a biological and spiritual level." Man is or is becoming God...etc. 3,13.

    If man is one with the cosmos or some impersonal concept of God there cannot be a basis for truth or ethics. The impersonal, as such is silent about such things. There is no basis for saying anything is right or wrong if all is one with God. What you are left with is total relativism or the arbitrary absolutes of the controllers who ever they may be. "If All is One , good and evil are reconciled, then one can can do nothing bad; thus Manson was only acting logically....the fact that Manson's followers knew him as both Satan and Christ highlights the collapse of distinctions between good and evil under moral relativity".13.

    As well, finite alien creators cannot provide sufficient absolutes. You have the same problems as pagan polytheism - the gods are too small to account for the creation of the universe and not good enough to provide a basis of morals and truth. Is abducting and raping women okay if extra-terrestrials do it? Also, why all the authoritarian overtones to some of the messages? Do they really have our best interest in mind or is there evidence of some kind of control system?

    There are several alien types taking credit for the creation of man and now some contactees like Rael and Benjamine Cream are claiming to be prophets of some messianic authority. In fact Rael is claiming to be the new final prophet and chosen "Messiah" of this age...chosen by a group of extra-terrestrials who call themselves the Eloheim who told Rael that they created the human race through genetic engineering. Rael has over 35,000 followers world wide who call themselves Raelians...and they wish with the Eloheim's help -to usher in a world government ruled by an authoritarian elite. 4.

    Cream is promoting another "messiah" he calls "Maytrea". Full page ads in newspapers around the world has announced that this world teacher is in the world to-day. Cream is also convinced that the intelligences behind the crop circle phenomena are paving the way for the soon unveiling of his messiah who will usher in a New World Order and a New Age.

    Skye Ambrose, a famous abductee who was "born again" as she said as a result her encounter with a strange "grey" type alien with bright sparkling eyes predicted at a recent UFO conference in Bellevue, Washington; that "evolution was entering a "peak cycle" that will create a New Order on the planet. Polarization is occurring on this planet to separate those who will accept the message and evolve toward Unity and Oneness and self-realized Godhood and those who will not not."

    Many alien prophesies to contactees of the 50's or to-day have failed to come true or appear to be outright lies. 14. Many contactees and abductees to-day are again delivering warnings of coming earth changes and disasters along with promises of help from aliens...they feel chosen to deliver a message to mankind ...the prophesies are creating a false hope and dependency in their abductors who they know little about.

    So what are we dealing with? New Age aliens with some promise of a golden age or some unimaginable deception to enslave undiscerning minds. The evidence seems to point to the latter. There have been many false messianic claims and those foolish enough to repeat history by following the voices of deceiving entities have been warned to "beware of false prophets and Christ's who come disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves ".10 We should be reminded of the likes of Adolf Hitler who not long ago promised a New Age to unsuspecting Germans.

    Whitley Striber, in a recent issue of the monthly MUFON Journal, Sept. 93, states - "I've come away from this experience convinced of one thing: if there aren't demons out there, there might as well be, because these guys are indistinguishable from demons. Indistinguishable. To see them, to look into their eyes, is to be less - forever......." Striber seems to swing from horror to naive trust.. you see this in his books and statements to the public. Perhaps, he is not so sure of the visitor's intentions.

    Perhaps we should heed the old warning; 'If, anyone says to you then, "Look, here is the Christ" or, "He is there", do not believe it; for false Christ and false prophets will arise and produce great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the chosen , if that were possible."11

    Some UFO researchers suggest that perhaps the so called 'aliens' aren't much of a threat, after all if they have been around for this long and have not taken over then why should we be concerned. However, if they are not what they appear to be, and the phenomena has other potentials and realities which include: deception, false messianic claims, dangerous ideologies, the formation of cults, etc., then for historical, social and political reasons we should not abandon our need for discernment and caution.

    1. The Fellowship, by Brad Steiger.
    2. Ibid pp. 47
    3. Ibid pp. 185
    4. The Messages Given To Me By The Extra-terrestrials -Rael
    5. Operation Trojan Horse- John Keel pp. 200-232
    6. Dimensions- Dr. Jacque Vallee
    7. Transformation The Breakthrough- Whitley Striber pp. 180, 240.
    8. Messengers of Deception- Dr. J. Vallee. Last chapter.
    9. UFO'S in the New Age- William M. Alnor , Baker Book House 1992.
    10. Matthew 7:15-20
    11. Matthew 24: 23-28, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-6, 1 Thess 2:1-12.
    12. Teachings of the Pleadians- Bringers of the Dawn.
    13. Understanding the New Age- Russell Chandler, Word Publishing, 1988.
    14. Deuteronomy 18:9-22.
     
  16. FoX

    FoX حديدان آل نهيان Membre du personnel

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    lli ta9aftou fransawiyya [17h]
    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incident_de_Mantell
    Ce qu'il faut retenir du lien :

    Thèse Officielle
    * L'enquête officielle qui suivit le crash conclut que le capitaine Mantell avait perdu conscience suite à un défaillance de son approvisionnement en oxygène à l'altitude de 7 500 mètres et que l'appareil était ensuite tombé en piqué jusqu'au point d'impact.

    * L'US Air Force affirma, tout d'abord, que les pilotes de l'escadrille ainsi que les nombreux témoins avait confondu la planète Vénus (effectivement visible en plein jour à cette période) avec un OVNI. Puis, les enquêteurs conclurent qu'il s'agissait d'un ballon Skyhook de la Marine lâché depuis Clinton dans l'Ohio. Ceci reste la thèse officielle.


    Incohérences [37h]
    * On explique mal comment le capitaine Mantell (un vétéran de la Seconde Guerre mondiale, décoré de la Distinguished Flying Cross) a pu confondre un ballon-sonde avec un objet "métallique", "terriblement grand" et d'"environ 170 m de circonférence".

    * On n'explique pas non plus comment trois chasseurs militaires équipés de moteurs de plus de 1 600 Ch ont pu se faire distancer par un ballon porté par le vent.

    * Enfin, le capitaine Duesler (l'un des trois enquêteurs de l'US Air force ayant analysé le site du crash) a toujours affirmé que l'état de l'appareil était incompatible avec un crash dû à un vol en piqué.

    AVIS PERSO : I BELIEVE
    quelques photos que je penses réelles
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    mais des fois c'est juste des nuages :

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  17. nournat

    nournat Wld l3iyachiya

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    a sbaaaaaaaaaaar sbar !!!

    rra ymken ghi kanghma9 3lik , lmoucha dyal l3am ma 3andna ma ndirou biha , khtaf lelwalid dik 200 dh w yallah ntjalw9ou f la cote !
     
  18. anaayoub

    anaayoub Accro

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    yak? wakha hya li ma t3awdch radi ndir lih raw daw mais ila 7ssalt nji nsskone m3ak

    daba bini o binak a nournat wach 200 dh rada dir lik chi 7aja f la cote?
    H.S les ovni ghir kdoub ma kaynch dak chi
     
  19. 7amil almisk

    7amil almisk مهدي يعقوب عاشق الأحرف

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    had l3olama ou lpilotat ou lwa9a2i3 lli we93o kamlin kamlin taykedbo ssi ayoub lli 3ando l7a9

    traaaaaaaaaaaaakh wa baz [:Z]
     
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    anaayoub Accro

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    ta dab aghir goul lya a bba lamhdi wach 7na man imta radi ndiw 3la lihoud ola nti9o bihom yallah?
    wa bazzzzzzzzzz yallah
    ta chouf ma kaynch had la3jab rah ghir icha3at ghir sir dabbar 3la 200 dh o yallah t7aya7 f la cote ta nta
     

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